Vinney Chopra 0:00
And we got the deal and we just be a tad higher than what other people were paying with found out and also hard money day one. So those are great deals but they’re very hard to find. And they were fully renovated units the seller had put in and brand new roofs and brand new parking lot everything so we paid a little bit higher, but we have more potential to increase the rents so anybody really looking into this market? They need to you know, underwriter, the right lender, right. But look for the best nugget don’t jump into it. If you don’t have a strong business plan.
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J Darrin Gross 1:03
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Today, my guest is a returning guest and a favorite. His name is Vinny Chopra. Vinnie is a multifamily syndicator, Senior Living care facility developer, and also a mentor for investors and an author and a podcast host and on and on and on. And he’s multi talented. And in just a minute we’re gonna speak with Vinny about the opportunities in multifamily and also senior living. But first, a quick reminder, if you like our show, CRE PN Radio, there’s a couple things you can do to help you can always like, share, and subscribe. And also we’d love to hear from you. Leave a comment. Also, if you want to see how handsome our guests are, be sure to check out our YouTube channel. You can find us on youtube at commercial real estate pro network. And while you’re there, please subscribe. With that, I want to welcome my guest, Vinny, welcome back to CRE PN Radio.
Vinney Chopra 2:23
Thank you. Thank you. It’s such a pleasure to be back again, Darrin and we have been together many times on the many times.
J Darrin Gross 2:31
Yeah, there’s there’s a whole list of of interviews we’ve done that are on if you go to the YouTube channel, and you there’s an actual list of of interviews we’ve done there. So and we’ve covered, you know, a spectrum of topics, and I always appreciate the opportunity to talk with you. But it’s been a little while since we’ve talked last I think last time we talked was kind of the front end of COVID. And I know at the time you were shifting from not shifting from but incorporating more you were growing. Instead of just multifamily. You were getting into the senior living and you know, branded that and developing and, and you were as always excited and smiling, happy and things were going well. And so before we jump into it, maybe just a brief kind of a an introduction, if you could tell just to listeners, kind of your your two men and who you are and in your background a little bit.
Vinney Chopra 3:31
Sure sure that, you know, I came from India with $7 a month people know, and I’m a mechanical engineer. I came here to do my MBA in marketing. And that just sales and marketing got me so fired up. I never looked back. So I’ve been in that business for a long time, have been an investor for four years now in two single family homes and about 15 years in multifamily. So that has been the big crust of my career with the real estate, commercial and then 34 syndications complete syndications. And little over 4700 units, and about half a billion in you know, portfolio with a u m, we’re on the single maybe one or two times I had partners, but most of the time I’m the principal and the general partner in the deal, you know, and yeah, that’s a little bit about me. I know I’m very fired up about multifamily like everybody is and millennials as you know, they definitely we need multifamily. We will need even the offices now. With COVID or after COVID in a lot of people are working from home. So two bedroom and office three bedroom in our office, you know, we’ll be probably developers will be building. Second one is the integration which we haven’t Seeing that much influx in the COVID. But that’s another one where the rental units are needed. The third is my most favorite one, which is the tsunami, silver tsunami 10,000. Baby Boomers are turning 65 every night in USA. So they had like 54 point 7,000,065 plus right now, in the next 3035 years, they’ll be 100 million. Oh my gosh. So that’s a big, big number. And they’ll be a huge shortage for the senior living, independent living and all that. And then assisted living and memory care is where we have honed in, in our companies, I found a great partner shade and Ron from Pakistan, who actually have been building these assisted livings. And here I was thinking, How can I get into it? So now we are joined at the hip, you know, so we are building them? Five to seven acre of land with a lot of great luxury, amenities and all that. So that’s a little bit about me. Yeah.
J Darrin Gross 6:13
No, that’s awesome. Well, let’s talk just a little bit. I think the first thing I wanted to congratulate you on is 34 syndications that you’ve gone full cycle on Is that right?
Vinney Chopra 6:23
Well, I have sold 25 of those already. So that’s full cycle on 25. And one more, I’m selling now 26. And then we’ll be left with quite a bit bigger ones like 52 million one, 35 million. We just bought a 35 million one in Austin, Texas, which is a very big for us because we caught it at 113,000 per door. Somehow, last September, and now the vicinity, the neighborhood is going to be at 153 a door.
J Darrin Gross 7:05
Well, you didn’t do anything you haven’t applied your Midas touch or anything.
Vinney Chopra 7:10
I don’t know what happened there. Oh, my gosh, me increased value from 35 to almost 47 million, you know, in just one year, just in one year.
J Darrin Gross 7:21
That’s terrific. That’s terrific.
Vinney Chopra 7:24
Austin is on fire, as you know, you know? Yeah.
J Darrin Gross 7:27
Yeah, no, definitely the Sunbelt states. I mean, you know, Texas and Florida and Arizona. I talked to other people about and I mean, it’s all kind of a tough to lose in those states. I think just based on people are moving there. You cited the millennials, the immigration, United seniors look to the sun sunbelt states for for retirement. So let me ask you so that you’ve been doing this now for 15 years? Yeah, there’s definitely been a little bit of a change in the climate I mean, as far as just the the workplace and just the way we live with COVID and stuff. In fact, I think cameras Last time we talked but I can remember it was just kind of the some of the protocols that were being instituted because it was still kind of a not an interaction kind of thing. But it’s more about how to create barrier and space between people and all that I think we’re we’re now a little bit beyond that. But But you indicated just even in kind of the intro here about millennials looking for you know, a bedroom or a workspace at home. So to end it is you look at your portfolio in what you have had versus what you have or may purchase in the future will that change some of your thoughts or
Vinney Chopra 8:55
Dramatically there and you know, I mean, I have been buying c c plus b minus older properties. Now we are buying more newer properties, which is good and also with the business plan to you know, renovate them to like I just found a day in Tennessee. I flew there 15 bidders were there, and we got the deal. And we just paid tad higher than what other people were paying we found out and also hard money day one. So those are great deals but they are very hard to find. And they were fully renovated units the seller had put in and brand new roofs and brand new parking lot everything so we paid a little bit higher, but we have more potential to increase the rents. So anybody really looking into this market. They need to you know, underwriter, the right lender, right. But look for the best nugget don’t jump into it. If you don’t have a strong business plan. You know, so this property actually, they renovated it. But the rents are seven to $800. Lower. What? Wow, I live it next property over in Tennessee, when I’m buying, it’s like 678 $100 lower rent in this property because the seller is a flipper, so they just want you to renovate and keep the rents low, so that the occupancy goes higher, you know, so we’d be able to either jump in, and we’ll educate, you know, that residents that they have been paying so low. And it’s all bills paid, which we never do. Millennials live there. But they are just not shown that, you know, hey, you have to pay for water, and gas and trash and Internet, and cable. We just kind of jumbled it all together in one price, you know, anyway.
J Darrin Gross 11:00
But that sounds like a home run just based
Vinney Chopra 11:03
on like your home run. Right? excited about it? Yeah.
J Darrin Gross 11:08
Because I think one of the things that I always appreciate in talking with you, and we’ve had the conversation about capital improvements, yes. You know, and like you just mentioned, having a plan, you know, having a business plan and then implementing that so that you can get the higher rents the higher noi and the higher valuation so that you can, whether you actually refinance or whatever, you’ve got that that built in there. On your on the properties that you I mean, this This one sounds like it was fairly well renovated. So it should be I would think, a faster upgrade as far as your your noi, is it gonna be easier way to
Vinney Chopra 11:48
lease Aaron really increase in rents, of course. But we also found there was a duplex on the property, which was not counted in the rent roll. So when we went to tour it, and we found that it could be a big parcel where we could build a townhouse is also somewhat demolish that the duplex and be four Plex and four Plex, eight of them, which will rent for 2200 a month, he found out in the door. Yeah. 22 have more than one.
J Darrin Gross 12:25
Yeah, per door. Wow. That’s your door. Yeah. And the the there was no accounting for those
Vinney Chopra 12:32
units when they had said 109 units. It’s smaller property than what I’m used to purchasing. But it was such a good deal. We had to take it, you know, it was 107. But the two units were not shown on the rent roll. They were like we can break in, but they were duplex. So we are glad that nobody lives there. And we’ll just demolish them. And then we’ll build a brand new, you know, Class A, with the amenities and all townhouses. Yeah,
J Darrin Gross 13:01
No, that’s, that’s great. And now that you’ve done so much developing, I’m guessing that that’s, that is kind of second nature to you is it
Vinney Chopra 13:09
You know it is. And over the years, I have done some really heavy lifting, with some burns units I bought and renovations keep on going, you know, all over the foundation challenges and roofs, lakes, and you name it right, you know, so it’s quite okay for us. And then with the senior assisted living, where our whole game plan is to buy the land, and then go through the ordinance changes, get the permits, and then build on it. So we are the developers, we buy the land and we do all the ordinance changes, and then infrastructure, and then we manage them also. So it’s a whole cycle of two years, two years it takes us but you know, that’s it’s something which is unique because in our assisted living and memory care division, it’s one story only. And there are three to six courtyards are there where our seniors can go out and have exercises and putting green and waterfalls and swimming pools and all but then inside the put spars, salons, billiard rooms, exercise rooms, then library and also the movie theater inside plus the dining halls. So it’s a very nice luxury, you know, community that we build. That’s what the Hampton Manor is of a brand that we are hopefully building we’re building nine locations right now. We have built 23 already.
J Darrin Gross 14:51
So my goodness, you’ve built 23
Vinney Chopra 14:55
Had built 23 already. And now we are building nine locations In just Florida alone,
J Darrin Gross 15:02
Oh, my goodness. I knew I knew that you were busy. But that’s that’s a plateful and then Maura. Great. So the the, I wanted to ask you just a little bit about we talked a little bit about COVID kind of shaping the marketplace in multifamily. Let me ask you just about the senior market. You know, knowing that originally the the senior population was considered to be a higher risk. And now through vaccinations, it appears to be relatively relatively under controllers talk about boosters, net, but I, I have not paid a great deal of attention. But I have I read the news occasionally and see that, you know, by and large, the number of persons that are the people that are most affected by COVID, or any of the variants appear to be the unvaccinated and I’m not trying to make a debate about or whatever, but I’m just, I’m just kind of curious, based on that. Are you seeing any kind of deviation from what you planned for the seniors? Or is it or is that that I mean, just the sheer demand and the numbers you talked about, continue to fuel that and without, without any kind of,
Vinney Chopra 16:16
You know, good point, here, and what we found was like, we locked down pretty fast. If I recall, you know, when we talked last in March or April, and 2020. We locked down, we didn’t have a single debt, you know, and you know, our senior assisted livings, we have 14 of them, we are managing still. So they are like, you know, 75 203 years of age, you know, seniors out there, so nobody, you know, contracted or died or anything. I know nursing homes were more prone to a lot more deaths came from there. But now with double vaccination, the market has opened up opened up quite a bit, actually, we get a lot of calls that request to look into like Punta Gorda, I think we have 17 deposits already. And we are 70% only built. So a lot of people are calling us to bring their mom and dad, when we are done, we open the gates, then we would like to be 50% occupied. It’s a 88 units. I think we beat Ada to 92. No love, no bigger. No two story, no three story never ever really beat that. And the other good part is that we want a quality of life. So five to seven acres of land, minimum so that they can really stretch out, you know, and have all these great immunities there. Yeah. So COVID has not hurt. Well, it did hurt last year. But it’s opening up and speaking some of our new developments won’t be opening until the fall of 2023. So we feel even the effect will be even less, you know, then. Right. Right. And especially because we don’t have the distances, and we don’t have to elevators in our assisted livings and also the space is so hot, you know, SP a pretty large, so distancing is very easy for us right to take care of all that right. Yeah.
J Darrin Gross 18:29
No, that’s, that’s great. I’m glad to hear that. Because, again, you know, I think on the front end of COVID there were a lot of questions. Yeah. What what was going to happen? And how are things going to be affected? And, and glad to hear that, you know, your your outlook is, you know, the minor changes with the multifamily. But as far as the senior living it looks like that’s still full throttle. Yeah, you know, go fast. market their brand. Let me ask you this. So the the, do you see any changes in the marketplace? I mean, you cited, you know, the the millennials and the immigration and the seniors? I mean, those are all expanding populations. Is there anything based on the work from home? I know, in the past, we’ve talked about, you know, do all of the, the, you know, research on basically the demographics and make sure there’s a growing community and that there are jobs coming there. Has Have you seen any of the work from home change that dynamic at all? Are you able to pinpoint anything like that?
Vinney Chopra 19:37
You know, that’s a very good point. What you just mentioned actually, you’re right, we’re finding lot of people are enjoying the lifestyle of coming out of the bigger MSS. As you know, big, big cities and going into suburb, something we live in the Bay Area, you know, is the area I cannot believe how the prices have shot up, you know, in the suburbs. I’m, like 30 miles away from San Francisco, where I live in Danville. But you’re right, a lot of people are also moving to other places where their family is their spouses from and they would like, you know, their kids to grow up there. Right. You know, so a lot more flexibilities there. But at the same token, I feel those jobs which are more remote are tech oriented. Most of the time service you have to be where the services right, so Austin, we are really big Tennessee, we are very big knocks for you. I’m very big on checking the love course. And then Atlanta is just growing like crazy crazy in every direction. Florida be a very big, you know, and Texas. I mean, even Houston. Oh my gosh, so many great opportunities are there in San Antonio Houston, and Fort Worth and Dallas. Austin. So I know I haven’t bought in Arizona that much. But I know we’ve been building senior assisted living has been moving from east coast to the west coast. Got a big claim to have nine more years this decade for building $2 billion worth. I know that’s a big goal. But we are going for it. Yeah,
J Darrin Gross 21:22
That’s great. And I know on the the multifamily is when you syndicate those, you you raise the capital, exercise your business plan, exit distribute the the proceeds. Do most of your investors. Are they signing up for the next one? Or Hi, have you have you had you know more money than you know what to do with or I mean, I know I want to talk to you for a few minutes to raise millions of dollars.
Vinney Chopra 21:50
26 million last year, we raised 26 million. And this year, what I did was actually to be truthful. I designed a fund. So this year, I launched a fund already, it’s a $50 million fund, which I can buy about 200 million or close to that, you know, product. But what I did was in this fund, there are four pronged attack to mitigate the risk. Many time syndicators like me and others have one property, and they do a fun to raise money for that particular property. If the property does well, our investors do good. If it doesn’t do well, then they go down with the same one asset. So in this fund, it’s a 506 C, which is my first one, which is accredited investors only. But we can advertise we can talk about it and everything. But what are the four different ways I invest the money from the fund, one is multifamily, which is B class A B plus. So So that’s number one. Second one is giving the equity from the fund to start the senior assisted living constructions. So when I used to raise that separately, now I raise it in the fund and then do those. Then the third thing is when we build the senior assisted livings, we are buying them. Once they get close to stabilization, then we are purchasing them into the fund also, like we are buying right now 17 million, it’s worth about 22 million easy. Once we take the 45% I think it’s 43% occupancy right now, assisted senior living that we built in Cape corral. We are buying it for 17 million, cashing out the investors brought the money before and then we’re going to keep it for seven to 10 years. So that’s going to be the third prong and the fourth one is hotels. So in the find the money, we can be put into four different plates. So I looked at it as a multifamily. The resident has to pay upfront, right in though, you know, in the counter to go upstairs and sleep one night or four nights or whatever. So it’s almost like a apartment. I consider it as an apartment. But the IRR are very high. you know on the hotel. Yeah.
J Darrin Gross 24:36
On the hotels. Are you buying existing Are you developing those or?
Vinney Chopra 24:41
We are buying existing it we just bought one with my major partners. And we lucked out actually we bought it just before COVID we didn’t even know it. We bought in an auction Hilton Garden Inn in McAllen, Texas. For I think 6 million. We bought it for and All cash, right. But then the medical staff and nurses chose our hotel to live in. What are the chances of that? So however whole 2020 was in black, and Crawford, and the value went to the refinance state during COVID. And it’s worth 1 million now. What?
J Darrin Gross 25:26
Doubled your money? Well, the good news is Oh, I mean, it just follows you. That’s, that’s I mean, it’s, you know, I was wondering about that, just the hotels, just how hard they were hit. Just the whole COVID. Like thing with traveling that I know.
Vinney Chopra 25:47
No, we were ready to pay what key from our own pocket every month, right? When we closed it on December 31. In February, we were 16%. occupied. It was so low, right? But then bam, we got some contracts coming in, and then nurses and doctors and local authority, no, we were average to things. It’s 72%, we average occupancy.
J Darrin Gross 26:16
That’s great. Let me ask you something. You know, I find a lot of people and I think myself tend to think in this way. It’s just kind of stay in a lane. You know, you, you you started off and you started off in single family a long time ago, but you’ve been in multifamily and been very successful in multifamily. And you’re, you know, you were aware of and I’m curious about and researching about the the senior living and found your partner and and, you know, got into that the hotels Now, how do you in your mind reconcile? Or is? Or do you see it all the same? It’s just a different silo? How do you? Do you look at it any differently? Or is it just all a business?
Vinney Chopra 26:59
You know, what you what you said is so right Darrin, and I don’t know ABC about hotel to be truthful. But what happened was, I found some other great partners, but they seek out to me kind of thing. And they are really great at it, how to underwrite it, what to look for. And, you know, one of the partner is also very much hands on, on a weekly basis. And I also get into the meetings now. But we have hated people managing the asset. See, you have to have Marriott is another one we are purchasing, looking into that are lucky into Marriott salon. But with tier one we like to get for the mid tier, but the profit, the cost, segregation is amazing. The tax write offs are amazing. So a lot of high net worth people love to invest in hotels. So that’s how I kind of, you know, again, with law of attraction. These my other partners are very strong in hotels, and I’m also learning and I’ll be able to work with them.
J Darrin Gross 28:06
Yeah, yeah, well, I would think that your success and the other, you know, the multifamily and just the, you know, the networking you’ve done and the ability to raise capital would would automatically present additional opportunities to you based on on on that. And, you know, kudos to you for all your success and your, you know, the, the energy you bring to every interaction. And I wanted to ask you to a little bit about your coaching. You know, the the recently I think last week or two weeks ago, I was having coffee, and one of the guys I was talking with, he’s working with you, and I am talking to anyone out there, I need to reach out to him. So tell me about that. Because I know the you know, you’ve authored a couple of books. And I know that you’ve you’ve done coaching, but it hasn’t been something that you’ve been really, you know, when we’ve talked you really tooted your horn on as much as it was something that you know, you’re doing. Tell me a little bit about your mentors. Yeah,
Vinney Chopra 29:03
I would love to love to Yeah, I started my multifamily. academy.com is my company. And actually I A lot of students were asking me a lot of questions. And I was answering them the same way, again, and again and again. Then we said, why don’t I just keep on recording all my answers. And that’s how it started. And I have, I think 1000 lectures now. He had me, it’s online, people you get to learn everything and everything, what they can do what I’m doing, to go into online for 20 $500 only, because I make my money in buying and selling and syndicating I just want to you know, give myself back, you know, to the community at very low price. I’m even coming out with a new course now for 997 the whole thing and they get everything on a silver platter, all my worksheets, all my PowerPoints, you name it underwriting tools, everything included. And then I do 70 $500 group coaching, I do that. So I have some students in there where I teach myself, I have no other coaches, I teach every Wednesday actually, like, after this call, I’ll be meeting with them at four to 545. Every week, I love that time to do deal analysis and going over their questions and having other students share their successes. And it’s a motivation, every week motivation, you know, moving the needle, I call it, and then I have personal coaching. So I have five students only, and they pay 25 to 35,000. For me to teach them and get them on a very quick path. So that’s my coaching program. Yeah.
J Darrin Gross 30:52
Well, I you know, you’d certainly be one to a mentor. I mean, just the all the conversations we’ve had the experience that I know you have, I mean, you can certainly walk the talk. And that’s, that’s, I would think anybody seeking that help would be in good hands to, to work with you there. So appreciate that. So Vinnie, let me ask you that question. I’ve asked you a couple of times. And it’s one that I like to ask all my guests. And I would ask that in in this time that you kind of look at it from just kind of more of a broader picture based on and I’ll let you frame and I really want to, but just knowing all the experience you’ve had, and kind of as you look forward and stuff, the questions about risk, you know, the biggest risk, and, you know, I, as an insurance broker, always work with my clients to just assess risk, you know, what’s the, can we avoid it? Can we minimize it? If we can’t do either of those? Can we transfer it? And that’s where the insurance comes in. And if if you’re looking at your situation, and kind of the way you see the different silos that you’re operating in, and kind of the economy and the governmental, etc. Vinney, what do you see is the biggest risk?
Vinney Chopra 32:17
Wow, that’s a very good question. You know, they’re not see that, as a businessman, any intrapreneur should always, always always get the insurance, you know, to come back the risk, because we syndicators are using other people’s money, you know, to get into LLCs, and buying these properties and all that, if there is a slip and fall, or if the contractor came on the property, not properly insured. I just believe that we need to have the highest amount of insurance and umbrella insurance at the same time to directors insurance, I’ve had that in the past cyber insurance I’ve had that. I’ve been, you know, before big lawsuits, but I just kind of walked away from them, because I had people like you, you know, who really took care of and they were able to write good policies. Were they settling mediated and settled? You know, with the, with the plaintiffs, I think, right, you know, defendants via the defendants, right, ya know, all those things happen in life. So we should really always be looking around us what can go wrong, right. Even in the due diligence side, when you said, you know, risk involved, a lot of risk is there because we get the key to the property, then it’s our choice. I mean, it’s our baby, no matter what we did. So we need to really mitigate the risk, I call it you know, by taking proper measures about like, I talked about, like sewer lines, running the cameras through, and then, you know, foundation people, termite people to come digging deeper into, you know, if there is some termite and mold and all that stuff. So, no, those risks are there. As business people, we need to, it’s the small amount we pay, it’s an investment. That’s what I say. I mean, one time in my life, I was paying 1.2 million 1.2 million insurance premiums for by so many properties. Yeah, yeah. You know, so that way, it was definitely definitely needed help, you know. So the risk factor is very much there, and especially for us syndicators, and we need to really listen to people like you. Definitely.
J Darrin Gross 34:44
I appreciate you reiterating that and I’m just kind of curious too, is you have expanded your circle, do you feel like any of your risk have, have, have you see any risk that have grown? I mean, do you feel like there’s more risk when you get something new that you’re not as familiar with, like maybe the, the multifamily now that you’ve done 25 deals full cycle, I’m guessing you could pretty well do that in your sleep based on just you know, what you need to do and a lot of things you’ve probably seen, but as you go into, like, now you’re talking about hotels?
Vinney Chopra 35:18
You’re right. You know, I think, again, the biggest thing is like in hotels, again, a lot of people are coming, adhering to the rules and regulations, you know, especially in COVID. And all we had to run proper businesses, because otherwise, one bad COVID a positive right can really spoil the whole thing. So you’re right, the risks are there, even in the assisted living now see, we are dealing with much older population. And they have entrusted their health to us. So we want to make sure that our caregivers are well taken care of, and the nurses and everybody you know, and the chefs who are preparing the food, all those things, right? So you’re right, I mean, these things are something many times we don’t look at it steer, you know, right into it, but we need to look at Okay, in whatever industry we are, what are the different insurances, and then choose pick and choose, you know, which ones we should pay the premium? and have it? I mean, I have always had a 210 million dollar a great loss on every asset. Every single one I got 34 right. So the key thing is you got to be properly insured. You gotta be you got to, you know, hopefully, you’re happy to use it. But But when you need it, like I just settled the case for half a week. You know, somebody shot one of the tenant in the leg kind of thing, right? And these people chased him from hamburger place. Something went wrong over there, but then he came into the apartment complex and all that stuff. So, yeah,
J Darrin Gross 37:08
Yeah, no, it’s it. There are some, you know, sad, crazy times out there if you put too far I mean, between all the the civil unrest and yeah, it’s, it’s I mean, there’s a lot of optimism lie a lot of reasons to be optimistic about what’s called Yes. Certainly some some troubles if you look for him, and well, yeah, no, definitely, definitely. I don’t say so. Yeah. So, Vinney, where can listeners go if they’d like to learn more connect with you?
Vinney Chopra 37:43
Sure. They’re interacting. My website is Vinneychopra.com. v i n n e y c h o p r a dot com. And they can always you know, I’m on Instagram, Twitter, YouTube, also now Vinny chopra.com. And then just Google me You can be there. My two books are there on Amazon. Apartment Syndication Made Easy. Then Positivity Brings Profitability. My third book is coming out, which is on Senior Living Investing Made Easy. So I’m really very bullish on senior housing. I want to give back to the community. I’m a senior myself, I’ll be 70 years next year. So I really feel that you know, I want to do more and more fellow citizens. Yeah.
J Darrin Gross 38:33
Awesome. Very, it’s always a joy to speak with you. I’m so glad we’re able to do this today and catch up. And I wish you continued success and great health.
Vinney Chopra 38:46
Now Same to you there. And it’s such a pleasure to be with you. And God bless you and keep up the great work and we’ll see each other’s their time. Yeah,
J Darrin Gross 38:56
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